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Series icon[edit]

The icon used with this entire series is only symbolic of voting in some democracies. In countries that use the single-transferable vote system, digits are used to mark candidates and not ticks or crosses.

Electoral system[edit]

The discussion of electoral systems duplicates with electoral system. David.Monniaux 04:57, 21 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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Voting rights[edit]

This isn't clear. What happened to the right to vote or to stand for election in those years? -phma

The "right to vote" is something different from voting, and the list also includes the right to be elected, so I suggested a different page for the list of countries. The right to vote exists much longer, as the first democracies arose in ancient Greece. Also, for many countries you are listing universal (or for all men) suffrage, while most countries have had the possibility to vote for a long time, be it for a limit group of people, or with a different system. Jeronimo

I posted this to User talk:DennisDaniels because the timeline confused me too.

Hey, I tried to clean up the timeline at Vote so it was easier to read and realized I don't know what it's a timeline of. What does it mean when you include the qualifier "to stand for elections?" Does that mean in addition to the right to vote? What if the qualifier says "right to vote"? Also, what is your source? Myanmar was called Burma in 1935, and the FYR of Macedonia did not exist in 1946. I'm pretty sure Croatia, Uzbekistan, Krygyrztan and Kazakhstan did not exist at the time they're on your list as well. What are you referring to? The US is on in 1920, so you're obviously not referring to universal suffrage. You need to explain exactly what this list is talking about, because I had assumed it was universal suffrage.

A timeline of the development of voting would be interesting (though it should probably be a separate article), but it needs to be clear at which stages the right was granted to which people (based on sex, race, age, criminal history, political status, etc). Tokerboy 19:26 Oct 21, 2002 (UTC)

Removed from page because it doesn't make sense. For instance how can voting be a recent development in democracies or how can you stand for election in the US in 1788 (and why is that even in the list) if you can't vote in the U.S. until 1920? --rmhermen

The Right to Vote is not universal and in fact is a fairly recent phenomenon. Women especially were restricted at times at times only being able to vote, then eventually being able to stand for election. The timeline that follows is not necessarily complete or 100% accurate but it stands a starting point for government scholars to clarify.

1788

1893

1902

1906

1907

    • Norway -restrictions placed on certain groups

1913

    • Norway - some restrictions lifted

1915

1917

    • Canada -restrictions placed on certain groups,
    • Netherlands -restrictions placed on certain groups

1918

1919

1920

1921

1924

    • Kazakhstan1
    • Mongolia
    • Saint Lucia
    • Tajikistan

1927

    • Turkmenistan

1928

1929

1930

    • South Africa (Whites)
    • Turkey (to vote)

1931

1932

    • Maldives
    • Thailand
    • Uruguay

1934

    • Brazil
    • Cuba
    • Portugal
    • Turkey-restrictions placed on certain groups

1935

1937

    • Philippines

1938

    • Bolivia- -restrictions placed on certain groups,
    • Uzbekistan

1939

1941

    • Panama- -restrictions placed on certain groups

1942

    • Dominican Republic

1944

1945

    • Croatia
    • Guyana (to stand for election)
    • Indonesia
    • Italy
    • Japan
    • Senegal
    • Slovenia
    • Togo

1946

    • Cameroon
    • D.P.R. of Korea
    • Djibouti-restrictions placed on certain groups
    • Guatemala
    • Liberia
    • Myanmar-restrictions placed on certain groups
    • Panama
    • Romania
    • The F.Y.R. of Macedonia
    • Trinidad and Tobago
    • Venezuela
    • Viet Nam
    • Yugoslavia

1947

    • Argentina
    • Japan
    • Malta
    • Mexico (to vote)
    • Pakistan
    • Singapore

1948

    • Belgium
    • Israel
    • Niger
    • Republic of Korea
    • Seychelles
    • Suriname

1949

    • Bosnia and Herzegovina
    • Chile
    • China
    • Costa Rica
    • Syrian Arab Republic-restrictions placed on certain groups

1950

    • Barbados
    • Haiti
    • India

1951

    • Antigua and Barbuda
    • Dominica
    • Grenada
    • Nepal
    • Saint Kitts
    • Nevis
    • Saint Vincent
    • Grenadines

1952

    • Bolivia
    • Côte d'Ivoire
    • Greece
    • Lebanon

1953

1954

    • Belize
    • Colombia
    • Ghana

1955

    • Cambodia
    • Eritrea
    • Ethiopia
    • Honduras
    • Nicaragua
    • Peru

1956

    • Benin
    • Comoros
    • Egypt
    • Gabon
    • Mali
    • Mauritius
    • Somalia

1957

    • Malaysia
    • Zimbabwe -restrictions placed on certain groups

1958

    • Burkina Faso
    • Chad
    • Guinea
    • Lao P.D.R.
    • Nigeria (South)

1959

    • Madagascar
    • San Marino-restrictions placed on certain groups
    • Tunisia
    • United Republic of Tanzania

1960

    • Cyprus
    • Gambia
    • Tonga

1961

    • Bahamas
    • Burundi
    • El Salvador (women's rigth to stand for election)
    • Malawi
    • Mauritania
    • Paraguay
    • Rwanda
    • Sierra Leone

1962

    • Algeria
    • Australia (?)
    • Monaco
    • Uganda
    • Zambia

1963

    • Afghanistan
    • Congo
    • Equatorial Guinea
    • Fiji
    • Iran (Islamic Republic of)
    • Kenya
    • Morocco
    • Papua New Guinea (-restrictions placed on certain groups)

1964

    • Bahamas
    • Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
    • Papua New Guinea-restrictions placed on certain groups
    • Sudan

1965

    • Bostwana
    • Lesotho

1967

    • Democratic Republic of the Congo-restrictions placed on certain groups
    • Ecuador
    • Kiribati
    • Tuvalu
    • Yemen (D.P. R.)

1968

    • Nauru
    • Swaziland

1970

    • Andorra-restrictions placed on certain groups,
    • Democratic Republic of the Congo (women's right to stand for election)
    • Yemen (Arab Republic)

1971

1972

1973

    • Andorra-restrictions placed on certain groups
    • Bahrain
    • San Marino -restrictions placed on certain groups

1974

    • Jordan
    • Solomon Islands

1975

    • Angola
    • Cape Verde
    • Mozambique
    • Sao Tome and Principe
    • Vanuatu

1976

    • Portugal -restrictions removed

1977

    • Guinea Bissau

1978

    • Nigeria (North)
    • Republic of Moldova
    • Zimbabwe-restrictions placed on certain groups

1979

    • Marshall Islands
    • Micronesia (Fed. States)
    • Palau

1980

    • Iraq
    • Vanuatu

1984

1986

    • Central African Republic
    • Djibouti -restrictions placed on certain groups

1989

1990

1993 [

1994

the right to vote for women is new. to stand for election means the right for women to stand for election. I've tried to generalize a bit but still maintain a general timeline of events for various levels of franchise for each country...
If this is a timeline of woman's suffrage, it belongs there, not here. Tokerboy 14:00 Oct 22, 2002 (UTC)
ok, any other opinions before I make the move?-dgd
May I also recommend organizing it as follows: Tokerboy 14:19 Oct 22, 2002 (UTC)
looks good to me! -dgd


Excuse me, but New Zealand Gave women the right to vote before the united states did Taifarious1 05:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merging this page[edit]

I think this content should be merged into Election and mainly Voting system. Lot of duplication and the other articles are stronger, and I can't think of what you would cover under vote that wouldn't fit under one of the others, or under suffrage. Suggest this page redirects to suffrage. May do it myself if I find time. --Cjnm 16:02, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) I think the content should be merged into election also --Wompa99 00:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't merge[edit]

I don't think that this page should be merged. Instead, I think it should be an overview of the different aspects of a democratic process: suffrage, the electoral system, and the voting system. These are three complementary aspects of voting, and none of them encompasses the others so much that it should have vote redirect to it.

Incidentally, I'd say the most serious thing wrong with this page right now is the section on "more esoteric vote types". This section is needlessly confusing, and I'm fairly sure no viable system like that exists. If it did, it would be way more obscure than even the most uncommon methods on the voting system page. How about we remove this section?

RSpeer 15:45, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Removing all external links[edit]

Not a single external link belonged in this article. These links included:

  • a majority of links about electronic voting, which belong on that article, not here
  • Someone's blog entry (about, I believe, electronic voting)
  • A new site (also about electronic voting) with 4 incoming links
  • A site about liberal US politics

Can anybody find a good external link about voting in general that is not tied to a particular electoral system or the politics of some region? Then again, such a thing may not exist except on Wikipedia -- so perhaps we don't need external links.

RSpeer 17:45, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Rename to voting[edit]

I think that this article should be renamed to voting. Scott Ritchie's user page has a good rationale for why, but in short, the title "vote" seems to come from being overly literal about the rule to prefer nouns, and it's inconsistent with other titles like bloc voting or cumulative voting. The article is mainly about the process of voting, not about individual votes. I'm going to be bold and rename it. rspeer 02:49, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with ballot[edit]

I found an article on ballots recently, and it seems like what goes there should go in here (this article doesn't even link to the ballot article, instead bolding ballot as though it were already a part.) This seems like a sensible merge, as you can't have voting without ballots, you can't have ballots without voting, and both articles are rather short and duplicitous at the moment now. Scott Ritchie 04:13, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OPPOSE merge - voting is an action - a ballot is the thing with which you vote - once ballot is fully expanded (currently no section on absentee ballot, etc.) it'll be too large to fit in an article about Voting anyway. --Tim4christ17 09:09, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as per Tim4christ17. UnDeadGoat 16:48, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because one is releated to the other.--GorillazFan Adam 22:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as per Tim4christ17. --Wine Guy 05:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Tim4christ17. --Dakart 04:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I oppose this merge as I disagree with the above statement "you can't have ballots without voting". For example, in sensory analysis, the responses of panel members is made on a ballot. This is not a method of voting, but a method of recording responses. Voting can involve a ballot (although does it necessarily have to, e.g. telephone voting?) but ballots are not necessarily a form of voting. --GuillWallace 22:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I oppose this merge as ballots are clearly a distinct but related part of elections. One does not need a ballot to vote e.g. voting by saying 'aye' or raising a hand. --Jpkitcat 20:33, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Voting explained![edit]

http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/6963/zwhat3jf.jpg JayW 18:37, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

add "Responsible Voting" section[edit]

I think we should summarize what it is to be a responsible voter. I think some quotes from philsophers, pictures, etc would be good.

CALfallen 05:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I disagree with the proposal, although I agree with the sentiment. WP is not here to give moral guidance. Mccready 09:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, I thinkm it might be appropriate, for this reason: to try to talk about voting without addressing morality can be a slippery slope! The very concept of voting is based on a moral judgement: that "the people" should have a say in their lives, in who rules them, and in what the rules (laws) say. When it comes to voting for/against laws (propositions, even bond measures) one must understand the moral implications of the possible outcomes of a vote.
The proposal does raise interesting, and difficult questions. But the sentiment that there are authoritative sources to draw upon is correct, and quite Wikipedian. Not that I'm an authoritative Wikipedian! -Tzf 23:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

responsible voting is within the context of voting so the section should be there. It should outline the POINT of voting. And WHY we vote and hence what makes for a responsible vote forms part of that. WP is not being partisan by outlining this concept. 8:32pm 19 may 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.145.211.28 (talk) 18:32, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IRO: Instant Run Off?[edit]

I would like to see Instant Run Off covered, including the technological implementation of it. I looked for an article on IRO, but did not find one. I don't know if it should be a distinct article, but it seems like it might be a big enough topic that it should be. I know little about it - which is why I was looking for an article on it - but in a recent conversation with a local politician, I found she knew even less than I, and had concerns that I had not thought of! -Tzf 23:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. It is a big enough topic that instant-runoff voting is now a distinct article. --DavidCary (talk) 13:46, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not Voting[edit]

This article has a section called "reasons for voting." For balance, then, shouldn't there be a section called "reasons for not voting"? RobertAustin 13:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{sofixit}} ←BenB4 00:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Types of votes section needs cleanup/rewrite[edit]

The "Types of votes" section is extremely poor: it is unclear and contains information that pertains only to some states; and its wording is verbose. I tried to improve it but couldn't manage. Could someone rewrite it or clarify, simplify, and correct it? I think it definitely warrants attention.  dmyersturnbull  ⇒ talk 03:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AFRICA[edit]

A. Essential readings: 1. B. Mayer. (2000). The Dynamics of conflict Resolution: a Practioners Guide: an Fransisco:Jossey-Bass(chapter 9) 2. Accord (2004) Training in Mediation: Seeking African solution to African Challenges Through a Participatory Learning Process: Mhlanga : ACCORD(P 7- 93) 3. B. Mayer . (2004). Beyond Neutrality: Confronting the Crisis in Conflict Resolution: an Francisco Jossey-Basse. (Chapter 3-4)


B. Recommended Readings: Hizkias Assefa, Mediation of Civil Wars: Approaches and 

              Strategies. The Sudan Conflict (Boulder, Colorado, West view Press, 1987).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.201.157.198 (talk) 19:15, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

History section[edit]

Can we have a history section? Faro0485 (talk) 11:45, 31 May 2009 (UTC) Perhaps the early Greek democracies could be talked about. Switzerland could be included for being a very old democracy.NRB.12345 (talk) 03:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki gold trophy article voting[edit]

where can i find the thing to attatch to an article on a page so that i can vote for it and see what other articles have most ip votes at given time stamps —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.143.4.107 (talk) 15:08, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#featured_content —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.143.4.107 (talk) 17:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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Linked[edit]

I linked the Page Voteing to this Page, though it it is under criticism. Please Correct me if I'm wrong. 77.99.179.16 (talk) 21:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Method of voting[edit]

I removed this section and the short list below from the article. I don't believe that it's quite ready to be included and requires some though. A ballot box is not a "method of voting" as it's simply a storage location for ballots (paper or otherwise). Postal and electronic voting are closer to voting methods, as they generally refer to processes, but I'm still not certain they are methods. Electronic voting can include a ballot box (see Optical scan voting system) and electronic voting can be done using a number of different methods (even including remote ones).

Further, the broad description this article supplies for "voting" (including registration, distribution of ballots, selection, tabulation and proclamation) far outreaches the simple list below.

-- Electiontechnology (talk) 20:03, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Privacy of voting[edit]

I've looked at a few different voting-related pages on wikipedia, and NONE of them mentioned anything about voting being private (ie no one except the counters know what your vote is) or public. I believe anecdotally that most voting is done in private. However, I'd like to see some discussion on the pros and cons of private voting vs public voting. Fresheneesz (talk) 19:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Election and voting[edit]

The topics of voting and election are distinct, though with overlap. Too much of this article is specifically about political elections, duplicating the election article. Voting is a technique used for election (selection, choosing) of office-holders. There are other aspects of elections not directly concerned with voting. Voting is used in other contexts than politics. The articles on voting and election need revising to reflect this. Pol098 (talk) 03:42, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. CaribDigita (talk) 03:03, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
{{sofixit}}.
I agree that it is better for this article to have only a short summary of elections, and refer to the "election" article for more details, rather than trying to duplicate all that information in both places.
I agree that the current "voting" article completely neglects the other sorts of voting that occur in politics -- ballot questions and direct democracy -- as well as voting that occurs outside politics.
I added a little to this article mentioning one of these neglected areas.
If you see neglected areas that could be filled in or other ways to make Wikipedia better, I urge you to edit this article directly to make those improvements, as I did, rather than waiting for someone else to do it. --DavidCary (talk) 15:42, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Democracy, republic, etc.[edit]

Some care needed to distinguish these ideas. Democracy is defined by voting, I think. Representative democracy elects representatives; democracy and voting need not involve representatives (though in modern large societies there's no practical alternative). Plenty of states called republics are arguably not democratic; examples are the single-party state exemplified by the Soviet Socialist Republics (the R in USSR), and republics where elections are not held for years after a coup d'etat. Pol098 (talk) 03:48, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss merge from voting method[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

See talk:voting method there for context. Homunq (࿓) 18:39, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Transclusion of the discussion[edit]

Following is a transclusion of the discussion to here, as this would be the target page. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 09:13, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

==Merge==

As suggested: Merge to Voting Homunq (࿓) 18:37, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose I think there's enough here for a standalone article. Number 57 20:15, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - with redirect I think the voting method fits thematically more as a subset of the larger voting article, and as such can easily fit into the voting article. From a narrative perspective, it is more useful to learn about voting methods after you've read something about voting, rather than voting methods on their own. We can see what a merge would look like since I already added this article's content to the voting article Voting#Vote collection methods. All that would have to happen to support this vote is to replace this article with a redirect to that section. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 21:52, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Agree with TimTempleton's arguments. Also, this title is contested (I believe that the term is far more widely used for electoral systems). I think that moving the material to voting and having a dab page here is a reasonable compromise for that debate. Homunq (࿓) 17:52, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a move although #1 it is unclear whether it belongs in Electoral Systems, Election, or Voting, and #2 the article organization I believe is incongruent, and its current naming contradicts the literature, so once that is repaired it might stand in its own article if not deleted (please see new section below). Filingpro (talk) 21:40, 6 August 2017 (UTC) TimTempleton's naming is an improvement, as the article stands now, (as are other names that have been suggested e.g. voting apparatus, balloting method etc.) Filingpro (talk) 08:57, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Indicative vote[edit]

It looks like the brits use indicative vote. This is no detailed in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.185.253.101 (talk) 21:33, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vote vs goverment[edit]

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