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I have added Taiwan into the generally recognized list again. While I know there are CCP sympathizers on this site, there is no good reason Taiwan should not be included while Palestine is. Taiwan is recognized by multiple UN states, goes above and beyond the requirements of the Montevideo Convention, and is a UN observer state, which is what the list requires. In fact, Taiwan is more sovereign than Palestine, as Taiwan is fully capable of self-defense and has a functioning economy, while Palestine is defenseless and is almost entirely dependent on foreign aid. Please stop changing it back unless you can give a valid reason Palestine is in there. --KanzazKyote (talk) 03:38, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Palestine is an observer state in the UN. We have that from pretty much the most authoritative source there is, the UN itself.
That, you will notice, is a list of UN Observer States. You will also notice that Taiwan is not on that list.
Please provide evidence for your contention that Taiwan is an Observer State at the United Nations. When doing so, please bear in mind that, given that the United Nations itself does not list Taiwan as an observer, your evidence is going to have to be exceptionally strong. Kahastoktalk 18:46, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
As is explicitly cited on the main page, Taiwan is an observer in one agency under "Chinese Taipei," which is universally recognized to be the politically correct name for the "Republic of China." --KanzazKyote (talk) 18:00, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
The World Health Organisation is not the United Nations and the fact that an entity is an observer to the World Health Organisation does not make it a United Nations Observer State.
The section at the bottom includes more than one full member of the World Health Organisation. None of these are United Nations Member States, nor Observer States. Kahastoktalk 18:35, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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Recently, there was an AFD whose particular discussion I closed as no consensus. In that discussion, there seemed to be a consensus that there was a need to take a closer look at the general list series involving sovereign states by decade. I am opening up this RFC in the hopes that this might be a place to further that discussion. Best, bibliomaniac15 01:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Is there a proposal related to this article here?
My view is that the decade articles are more trouble than they are worth. One difficulty is that the inclusion criteria tend to be poor or non-existent. They claim to rely on this article. But there is a fundamental difference between this article and those articles. This article is a snapshot of the world today, not a historical article or an article about states that have existed in the last ten years or something. This article has no hindsight. But the decade articles are historical articles and so cannot be neutral if they do not take hindsight into account.
The example that has caused us most trouble recently is the inclusion of the Republic of Crimea on the List of sovereign states in the 2010s. Crimea technically met the criteria for this list for a few days in March 2014 while being annexed by Russia. As a result, List of sovereign states in the 2010s treats it in the same way as it treats Kosovo and Taiwan. To my mind that clearly fails to observe WP:WEIGHT because it refuses to take hindsight - in this case the fact that the "state", by even the most favorable argument, lasted less than a week - into account.
But these are questions for editors of the decade articles. The editors of those articles attempt to get out of dealing with cases like Crimea by hiding behind the inclusion criteria for this article. They are wrong to do so. The aim of those articles is fundamentally different from the aim of this one, and so those articles need to define their own inclusion criteria, which need to meet WP:NPOV on their own merits.
And the trouble with this RFC, if it's about the decade articles, is that this is the wrong place. If editors on the decade articles shouldn't be hiding behind our decisions, we shouldn't expect that decisions made here will be binding on those articles. Kahastoktalk 14:39, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
@Ans: I am afraid you have misunderstood the system of this list regarding the entries of the type "X → Y". They have nothing to do with "common name → formal name". They are meant for easy navigation if someone looks for a country under another name than the one used in the list, or if someone is looking in the wrong list. If someone looks for "North Korea", they find the entry "North Korea → Korea, North", where "Korea, North" is clickable, and if you click on it, you come to the entry for the country. If someone looks for "Artsakh" in the main list, they find the entry "Artsakh → Artsakh", where the second "Artsakh" is clickable and brings you to the entry for Artsakh in the "Other states" list. The same happens if you are looking for "Nagorno-Karabakh". You then find "Nagorno-Karabakh → Artsakh" and can click to the entry for "Artsakh". The way you have changed it, if you look for "Taiwan" in the main list, you find "Taiwan → Republic of China", indicating that you should look for "Republic of China" in the list, not clickable. But "Republic in China" is not in the list, and what you actually are looking for, is found under "Taiwan" in the "Other states" list. Also the entry you removed, was a similarly useful navigation tool. Please self revert. --T*U (talk) 13:06, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
The Southern Transitional Council has declared self-governance on 26 April 2020. In Aden, the movement's attempt was successful, as it occupied all governmental institutions. How to categorize this? Is it a de facto government like in Somaliland even if maybe too soon to tell? Wykx (talk) 19:37, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Way too soon to make any call at all.
First, "self-governance" is not independence.
Second, there is no evidence that any UN member state has recognised Southern Yemen as an independent sovereign state.
Third, nobody has provided any source that analyses the situation in terms of the declarative theory of statehood, let alone finds a significant body of opinion that accepts that it meets the standard.
This article should really reallyreally not be in the business of trying to track, day-by-day, the progress of every military conflict in the world. Kahastoktalk 20:22, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
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