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Does use of the terms "astronaut" and "cosmonaut" violate neutral-point-of-view policy or constitute systemic bias? (No.)
No. Astronaut was used by the United States for its first space travelers in 1961, as was cosmonaut by the Soviet Union. In today's age of the International Space Station, the terms serve a valid distinction, as persons launched by the US are called astronauts and persons launched by Russia are called cosmonauts, regardless of their nationality.
Should the term "taikonaut" be used to designate Chinese space travelers? (Not necessarily.)
No real-world consensus seems to exist. Taikonaut seems to be a neologism favored by some English-language news media organizations. The Chinese government officially uses both astronaut and cosmonaut in text issued in English and Russian, respectively. The native Chinese phrases used officially for "space navigating personnel" do not translate easily into a single English word. "Taikonaut" is an Anglicization of the Chinese for "spaceman" popularized in Hong Kong and Taiwan.
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Numbers?[edit]

After reading through the beginning where it discusses the definition of an astronaut/cosmonaut I was confused about the numbers of people that qualify. It says that according to the FAI definition space is at 62 mi(100km) and the U.S. definition is 50 mi(80km), and with the FAI definition there have been 505 astronauts, while with the U.S. definition (which is of a lower altitude) there are only 496. That would mean that there are nine people who did not count according to the U.S. even though they were past both definitions. This seems to be an error in either the numbers of the qualifications of the two definitions or in the numbers of people listed by each. This is something that should be looked in to and fixed. Achris51 (talk) 00:08, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it seems inconsistent sources have been used for the two separate figures. Ordinary Person (talk) 11:13, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Using the terms man-days and astronaut-days seems kind of confusing. It seems from the math that a man-day is the same as an earth day (24 hours). I'm assuming the same for astronaut-day though it might be the time it takes the astronaut to circle the earth? The references only refer to crew-days which also appear to be 24 hours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robinrobin (talk • contribs) 14:38, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Taikonaut[edit]

Taikonaut is the term I have seen in every article by western media, and the term apparently used by many people in China. Despite it not being the official term, I'd say it is definately in major use. — Swpb talk contribs 14:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

While that may be and we should certainly add some citations to that effect, it is coined term by the media and not the Chinese word for an astronaut. Consider that nine citizens of France have flown in space, while only three from China. Should we not list the coined term "spationaut" in the opening paragraph? As this is an article in the English Wikipedia about professional space travelers, I suggest we stick to "astronaut" in the opening section and detail all international versions of the word in the Terminology section. Rillian 18:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Would you propose removing cosmonaut from the introduction too? Why should use by governments be the criterion for including an alternate name in the introduction, rather than popular use of the term? It seems to me popular usage would be a more important factor, perhaps even the most important. What places taikonaut in the category with astronaut and cosmonaut, as opposed to spationaut and all the various other alternate-language versions people regularly add to the introduction, is that China, like Russia and the U.S., has its own manned space program. The three Chinese space travellers were launched from China, aboard Chinese spacecraft (Admittedly glorified Soyuz redesigns, but still) - I think this is a pretty concrete distinction, and between the official, government-sanctioned term and the term in popular usage, I would favor the latter. — Swpb talk contribs 05:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I didn't propose that governments should be arbitrator, I said that the Chinese word for astronaut is not taikonaut. The word is hángtiān yuán (in Pinyin), not taikonaut, and when the Chinese translate hángtiān yuán into English, they translate it as astronaut, not taikonaut. Unless we can find some citations that show the term has become as commonly used and as commonly known as the Russian version космона́вт, it doesn't merit mention in the opening paragraph. Rillian 13:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I seem to remember reading that in China, the term in common use was "taikong ren" which was translated to taikonaut, but I can't find anything to back that up. So I suppose that if the common Chinese term had a unique English translation, it would merit placement in the introduction - but I don't know anyone in China and the google will only tell me what terms the media use. — Swpb talk contribs 17:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I thought the term has been accepted and used by Western media years ago. See [1] for example. Even Bob Casta introduced the pretend astronauts as Taikonauts during the NBC broadcasting of the Beijing Olympics Opening Ceremony. I really don't understand why some Wikipedia police tries to censor this term? What is the big deal? Kowloonese (talk) 19:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I sensed that there was a misunderstand in the thread of discussion above. Taikong Ren is a transliteration of a Chinese term. Taikonaut is an English term used by Chinese and Western media in English publications to refer to the spacemen sent to space using Chinese rockets. Some one probably the dinosaur type seems to forget language is living and evolving. When a term become popular and common, it should be acknowledged as part of the language. e.g. Bling Bling is added recently to some dictionary. So are you trying to tell me Bling Bling wasn't a English word before some arbitary publisher decided to include or exclude the word? The English language belongs to the public, not some publishers. Kowloonese (talk) 19:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

The paragraph on taikonauts sucked. I tried to fix it, but it's still lacking, and no sources either. Please someone fix it. -Jaardon 23:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Will this do? It mentions the term repeatedly, links it to the usage of astronaut and as far as I can see it seems to be coming from a reliable source. I'll put it in for now and if anyone objects it can be removed at their discretion. --Candlewicke (Talk) 19:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

"taikongren" and "astronaut" is use more often in south east asia. "taiko" sound more like "big brother. Don't even know there is "Taikonaut" until I read this page.Mclelun (talk) 04:12, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

  • I also noticed that some users that edit this page seem to be for some reason against using "taikonaut" even though I found sources too. If it is in Concise Oxford English Dictionary doesn't that mean thats source enough to use it into the intro? I got flamed for suggesting that a few months ago too. I don't know why only astronaut or cosmonaut seem acceptable to the main editors of this article? Oddness. Cheers, Nesnad (talk) 05:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Man...seriously? "Taikonaut" isn't even a fucking word in English. If you're gonna make a proposal or try to make point, at least propose with the actual terms, 太空人 or 航天员. Don't make up some transliteration that's not even in the dictionaries. - M0rphzone (talk) 09:26, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Terminology[edit]

"In the United States and many other English-speaking nations, a professional space traveler is called an astronaut." This statement (my highlighting) is at best an oversimplification, and worse is edging to error. It is true that outside the US some refer to all space travellers as being astonauts, but there is very widespread use of both cosmonaut and astronaut for, respectively, those on the Soviet / Russian and US programmes. This is supported by the citations below. The terminology section needs to recognise this. And whilst we are at please can the unsubstantiated (and incorrect) "..and the usage of choice is often dictated by political reasons." be removed.

  • Use of cosmonaut in the UK [2], [[3]],

[4]

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  • Reference to seperate US and Soviet / Russian usage, this from New Zealand [6]
  • Another reference to seperate US and Soviet / Russian usage, this time from Australia [7]
  • Use of cosmonaut for non-Soviet / non-Russian but who travelled on their programmes [8] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.224.22.238 (talk) 02:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
"very widespread use of both cosmonaut and astronaut for, respectively, those on the Soviet / Russian and US programme" Cosmonaut is defined as equivalent to Astronaut in the very first sentence and the article makes very clear in the Russian section the usage of cosmonaut in English and the convention that Russian astronauts and others flying on Russian spacecraft are often referred to as cosmonauts. What would you propose changing? Rillian (talk) 12:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
I totally agree with this point. The current Astronaut article represent a US-centered poinht of view that goes against every wikipedia guideline. Astonaut should direct to the American space program, and tyhe correct generic term is "space traveler". BTW, this article is good. User: J-Baptiste —Preceding unsigned comment added by J-Baptiste (talk • contribs) 09:14, 12 January 2009

J-Baptiste (talk) 15:21, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I disagree, for the reason that the word "traveller" is spelled with two Ls in international English and only one L in American English. We should try, wherever possible on Wilipedia, to have non-nation-specific varieties of English in article, titles, to preserve international harmony. Whayever references there may be to "cosmonaut" in the UK would be few and far between: practically universally in the UK we say "astronaut" (spelled the same was as in America!) Therefore I am very happy to continue using the American word here for the article title. EuroSong talk 15:29, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm filing a complaint about a disagreement about Cosmonaut,Astronaut, Spationaut and Taikonaut being equal or not. Those terms have such a nationalistic innuendo that corporate meetings in Europe are called astronauts if everyone can speak its mind and cosmonauts if people just have the right to shut up and listen. The correct term - and neutral term- for everyone is "Space traveler", not US-centered Astronaut. Please ask Chinese people how they feel about astronauts and taikonauts. Please ask Russian whether Astronaut is a generic term or not. Using non-neutral and US-centered vocabulary diminishes the credibility of Wikipedia J-Baptiste (talk) 15:21, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Wrong. It is not neutral, for the reasons already given. EuroSong talk 19:15, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I feel bad for Russia, they won the race to get a man into space yet everyone refers to them by the American wording. --82.153.35.70 (talk) 09:14, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

What's the difference between the words "astronaut" and "cosmonaut"? The lead is written as though what matters is who is speaking (like the difference between the American "fries" and the British "chips"). People have posted comments on this talk page that suggest they think it's a matter of what language is being spoken. But that's nonsense; we're talking here, on the English-language Wikipedia, about the English words "cosmonaut" and "astronaut" (and, God help us, "taikonaut").

Whatever your view on this politically-charged topic, let's acknowledge what we all understand: the English word "cosmonaut" is used to mean an astronaut from the Soviet Union or one of its former republics, or an astronaut from a nation other than the U.S. who travels on a Soviet or Russian spacecraft.

What matters is the astronaut's nationality. Not the speaker's, as the lead claims. TypoBoy (talk) 22:10, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

I personally don't understand the brawl around these two terms. I could tell from russian perspective that these two terms are equally in use here and not many trying to fill them with some nationalistic meaning. You could google in russian "астронавт"(astronaut) and "космонавт"(cosmonaut), and it will give you 1 380 000 and 1 300 000 results respectively. So this fight on terminology is basically a fight with a shadow in the english part of informational space. 85.26.183.251 (talk) 14:19, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

When does the term apply?[edit]

I was under the impression that another difference between "astronaut" and "cosmonaut" was when the term began to be applied - that a US-based professional space person was an astronaut as soon as they're accepted to the program, while a cosmonaut wasn't until they'd actually been in space. I also thought that one remained an astronaut even after retirement / resignation much like US Presidents are still called Presidents even when they are no longer in office, but I've seen "former astronaut" used in a few pages here. --zandperl (talk) 02:02, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

First known use[edit]

According to Oxford English Dictionary the first known use of the term "astronaut" is not from 1930, but from one year earlier:

1929 Jrnl. Brit. Astr. Assoc. June 331 "That first obstacle encountered by the would-be 'Astronaut', viz., terrestrial gravitation."

Tavilis (talk) 05:32, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Well let's see, with similar names like Aristonautes (or Archenautes, etc., etc.) and many other -naut suffix proper names in ancient Greek getting pretty close the possibility arises of it's attested surfacing in that arena. If there is anybody named such after stars in that culture with that name element affixed it looks as though the term (as a name) could be older than 400 B.C. 4.242.174.117 (talk) 06:55, 13 July 2009 (UTC)astroauts are uniqe in their way....

bakit sinosoot ang mga astrnout sout[edit]

pls answer <unsigned comment by User:112.200.228.55>

Dahil ang mga astronaut ang naniniwala na ito ay mabuti. —Stephen (talk) 07:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Australian astronauts[edit]

This map does not show Australia highlighted, which has had two Australians (dual-citizens) fly into space: Paul Scully-Power and Andy Thomas

Source regarding Andy Thomas - http://www.curriculum.edu.au/cce/default.asp?id=17566

Spindocbob (talk) 09:01, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Nationalities of deceased cosmonauts[edit]

The Deaths section of this article lists the nationalities of those who died during spaceflights as "thirteen Americans, three Russians, one Ukrainian, and one Israeli". Since at the time of the two Soyuz accidents Russia and Ukraine were part of the USSR, shouldn't the four cosmonauts be listed as Soviets. --GW… 11:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Australia again[edit]

Hey, I know this may be a bit of an iffy topic but Andy Thomas was an Australian born who became an American citizen so he could become an astronaut, and has been to space through NASA several times. If we're talking about nationality rather than citizenship shouldn't Australia be coloured also? La Suricata de vuelo de España (talk) 13:48, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Pictures of Random People[edit]

I think a clean-up of the astronaut pictures should be done. For instance, a picture of the first Afghan in space... whoopdee-do, so what? The majority of astronauts were/are great and all, but I find that having some of their pictures are more to serve a biased purpose. If anything, maybe the pictures can be constrained to somebody on a spacewalk, the first person in space, and the first person on the Moon. I don't even think having a picture of the first woman is useful, because I think gender is irrelevant in this article. If there aren't some clearer rules, people may start uploading pictures of the first person to rendezvous, the first Canadian, the first black person, the first Buddhist, the first commercial space traveller that has one leg, etc. I won't be removing the pictures, I am just presenting my opinion on how to make this article more encyclopedic. What do you think? 69.196.177.40 (talk) 14:55, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I think you're right; the pictures should be selected on achievements and not on religion or nationality. I have nothing against the current pictures of the Arab and Yew but they are one of many. It is not like they are launched by their own country's independent space program.86.87.73.104 (talk) 09:34, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
SUPPORT please go ahead and create some kind of order. Due to space and size restrictions outlined in wiki policy, this article is not intended to showcase every space traveler. Those photographs do not belong here, OR in the following articles, List of space travelers by nationality List of space travelers by name Timeline of space travel by nationality unless that individual fits additional criteria for their pictures inclusion pictures must conform to a selection process. It needs to be discussed first, and then they can be reconsidered for inclusion. Otherwise they belong on the articles about those particular individuals. Penyulap talk 03:43, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I feel that there should really only be 3 milestones listed in this article: the first human in space, the first woman in space, and the first human on the moon, (and later on, the first human on Mars, and other planets/moons). This way, there won't be a cluttered listing of every single first person of a nation. This is not the point. The point is to document the first human to achieve something, not the first for a nation. No political aspects should be involved. - M0rphzone (talk) 21:20, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Talking in article: alleged inaccuracy?[edit]

Recent IP edit from 68.0.141.63:

As of June 20, 2011, a total of 654 people (a wildly inaccurate number [1]) from 38 countries (or 36, or 37, or 39, depending how you count. 38 actually is a wrong number as it uses a double standard.) have reached 100 km (62 mi) or more in altitude, of which 520 (possibly a correct number 2 years ago ) reached low Earth orbit or beyond.

This is the proper place to discuss the accuracy of what's on the article page, not in the article itself. JustinTime55 (talk) 17:16, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Refrences[edit]

  1. ^ http://www.worldspaceflight.com/bios

Terminology[edit]

The "Terminology" section is organized around the idea that the difference between terms like "astronaut" and "cosmonaut" comes down to where the speaker is from. For instance, the first sentence is "In English-speaking nations, a professional space traveler is called an astronaut."

That's just wrong. Whether somebody gets called "astronaut" or "comonaut" depends on the nationality of the astronaut, not the speaker. "Cosmonaut" is not the Russian word for "astronaut" (though it's cognate with it). It's an English-language word for a Russian astronaut. Contrary to the sentence quoted above, there are many examples of English-language texts that refer to a space traveller as a "cosmonaut".

I propose replacing the contents of the entire Terminology section with something like this:

With the rise of space tourism, NASA and the Russian Federal Space Agency agreed to use the term "spaceflight participant" to distinguish those space travelers from professional astronauts on missions coordinated by those two agencies.[citation needed]
Professional astronauts themselves have long been distinguished by nationality. The term "cosmonaut" (from the Russian "Космонавт") is sometimes used for an astronaut of the Soviet Union or the countries which formerly constituted it, or for an astronaut from a nation other than the United States who travels on the spacecraft of one of those countries. Less commonly, the term "taikonaut" has been used for a Chinese astronaut. The term spationaut (French spelling: spationaute) is sometimes used to describe French space travelers, from the Latin word spatium for "space". The Malay term angkasawan was used to describe participants in the Angkasawan program, and the Indian Space Research Organization hope to launch a spacecraft in 2018 that would carry vyomanauts, coined from the Sanskrit word for space.

TypoBoy (talk) 02:05, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2014[edit]

Greek words kosmos (κόσμος), meaning "universe" => I is not correct, in Russian "kosmos" ("космос") means "space", not "universe" ("вселенная") Deplerx (talk) 14:44, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

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Kosmonaut[edit]

Kosmonaut is derived from the russian word kosmos (космос) which means "space". The russian word "kosmos" is indeed of greek origin, but it's not correct to tell that "kosmonaut" was derived from greek. 178.70.243.195 (talk) 10:26, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

That's exactly what the article says; the Russian "kosmonaut" is derived from the Greek words "cosmos" and "nautes". There is no problem. JustinTime55 (talk) 13:20, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2016[edit]

An Astronaut is a somebody that is trained to travel in spacecraft. 110.21.8.131 (talk) 06:57, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Not done The lead sentence in the article already says that. You also did not follow instructions and word your request as "please change X to Y". JustinTime55 (talk) 13:06, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2016[edit]

In the "Definition" section, please replace the following: 

As of 2008, the man with the longest cumulative time in space is Sergei K. Krikalev, who has spent 803 days, 9 hours and 39 minutes, or 2.2 years, in space.[1][2]

with this, to reflect a new spaceflight record: 

As of 2016, the man with the longest cumulative time in space is Gennady Padalka, who has spent 879 days in space.[3]

121.98.124.75 (talk) 13:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ NASA (2005). "Sergei Konstantinovich Krikalev Biography". NASA. Archived from the original on October 31, 2007. Retrieved October 4, 2007. Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (help)
  2. ^ NASA (2005). "Krikalev Sets Time-in-Space Record". NASA. Archived from the original on September 10, 2007. Retrieved October 4, 2007. Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (help)
  3. ^ Cheng, Kenneth (27 March 2015). "Breaking Space Records". New York Times. Archived from the original on 2015-06-28. Retrieved 28 June 2015. Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (help)
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Space Station Milestones[edit]

Part of this section doesn't make sense. Its mentions firsts for countries, ethnicities and continents. Its all over the place. Mentions first muslim astronaut but than next part mentions first Afghan. Since you already have the first muslim the first afghan should be removed. Otherwise why not just have first for every country? Also the other firsts that are sorta the same just slightly different and seems unnecessary to have every variant. Just the first white, black, hispanic, oriental, muslim, indian and american indian. No need to have every variant and sub variant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.69.250 (talk) 00:10, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2018[edit]

Change 

The Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI) Sporting Code for astronautics recognizes only flights that exceed an altitude of 100 kilometers (62 mi).[1]

to 

The Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI) Sporting Code for astronautics recognizes only flights that exceed an altitude of 100 kilometers (62 mi).[2] SONY (talk) 01:54, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 Done, thank you. Gulumeemee (talk) 05:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2019[edit]

Change the plain text word "otolith" to a link that points to Wikipedia article "Otolith" Cassandratoday (talk) 06:49, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done JustinTime55 (talk) 13:20, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
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