Talk:Violence against LGBT people

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More than hate crime[edit]

From an outsiders perspective to LGBT it seems to me that prejudice is inclusive but not limited to hate. Just because Violence against LGBT people is classified as a hate crime I dispute that this should limit the classification.

I suggest that the LGBT entry in: Template:Discrimination_sidebar is changed from "LGBT hate crime" to the actual title "Violence against LGBT people".

(Also wondered if there was a way to promote the use of My bad(ge) - Template:User recognises LG significance) Gregkaye (talk) 12:36, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Along the same lines as the previous suggestion, perhaps a section should be added to this article covering violence against sexual minorities from within their own community (as noted in the 2010 CDC report on Victimization by Sexual Orientation [1]), or which occurs as a reaction to violent or otherwise dangerous behavior on the part of sexual minorities (in some sense self-defense by other against LGBT groups. It seems to me that this article covers many important aspects of violence against the LGBT community, but is somewhat incomplete and potentially biased in scope.--Feinstein24 (talk) 09:35, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Removal of Mahmoud Asgari and Ayaz Marhoni photo[edit]

This photo should be removed, couple was executed for [blp violation removed]. --MehrdadFR (talk) 01:33, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Good Olfactory, you can find explanation here, pp. ix-xi. (one of few online available sources, publisher is Duke UP). --MehrdadFR (talk) 01:49, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

I have no objection to it being removed any longer if everyone else is OK with it being removed. Good Ol'factory (talk) 01:54, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
That page doesn't mentioned anything about a 13 year old, it just mentions their names, thus the claim is a BLP and should be removed. Plus MehrdadFR tried to remove the | photo once before with an unacceptable edit summary. I'd request the edit summary be rev-deled as there was not nor is there now proof of MehrdadFR's assertion. KoshVorlon 16:13, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

We need to mention that a small number of ultra orthodox Jewish people hate LGBT people[edit]

At the end of this article there's a section about Judaism. We need a small mention that the Ultra Orthodox section of that community is sometimes strongly against LGBT people. Here's a case from England in 2016 about a transgender father being not being given contact with her children because the children would be ostracised by their school and community. Note that the judge referred the school to the schools regulator because of poor teaching around LGBT stuff. https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/judgments/j-v-b-and-the-children-ultra-orthodox-judaism-transgender/ DanBCDanBC (talk) 11:51, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

A person being hated or ostracised but without violence would seem to be outside the scope of this article.--Jeffro77 (talk) 12:06, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Jeffro77's response is sufficient to answer your point, but even were that not the case, then there would be an issue with undue weight here. Try moving your comment to the Talk:Transphobia article, perhaps you'd get a different response there. Mathglot (talk) 20:08, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Pritchard?[edit]

The section on historic violence in the Middle East asserts that the passage in Leviticus condemning male same sex relationships is misconstrued and in fact is talking about male same sex rape. I was surprised as this was new information to me, so I looked at the citations wanting to know more. The only citations given for this is "Pritchard, p. 181" and "Pritchard, p. 468".

I'm not well versed in the site's rules but it would seem a claim like this would need multiple sources, or one very strong source. As it is I have no idea what "Pritchard" is and haven't been able to find out. Should this section be changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crioca (talk • contribs) 02:27, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Doing some digging, this claim dates back to this revision. I looked at the edit history and user talk page of the user who added it, but did not locate the source (though admittedly I could've been more thorough in my search). I removed the text sourced to "Pritchard" from the article (and considering it looks very much like one person's interpretation, it should've probably read "According to Pritchard, [...]" to begin with). TompaDompa (talk) 15:49, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Suicide among the LGBT teens in terms of relation to the family is that family members who are not willingly to listen to their children who are gay they are more likely to commit suicide. Basically it is not the religious domination that makes a LGBT teen commit suicide it is about acceptance and guidance within the family that helps to make the child more accepting of their sexuality instead of feeling that their sexuality is a burden upon the family.[1] Nia Dokes (talk) 01:11, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Sells, Heather (June 4th, 2017). "Southern Baptists push back against LGBT Activists". CBN News. Retrieved September 5th,2107. Check date values in: |accessdate=, |date= (help)

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Recent edits by Mauriziok[edit]

@Mauriziok:, in your recent sixteen edits since 18 September, you've added 64kb of text, apparently with good intent. However, I see no addition of any sources to provide verifiability of your content, as required by policy. There are also no edit summaries justifying any of your edits.

Can you give a reason why your edits should not be removed, and the article rolled back to version 859793264 of 09:20, September 16, 2018‎? Cordially, Mathglot (talk) 10:12, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Mauriziok, You've gone and done it again, with the addition of a great deal of unsourced information to the article. Wikipedia really does take verifiability seriously. Since you didn't respond last time, I've gone ahead undone these twelve revisions of yours from today. It's a shame, because that's a really great table you added, and it deserves to be there; I'm sure you spent a lot of time on it. I'd like to see you add it back to the article, properly sourced next time. Please provide citations to reliable sources, and add your table content back. Fyi: my intention is to back out your previous sixteen edits from September as well, unless you source them. Cordially, Mathglot (talk) 07:11, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
Just fyi for other editors who may have edited since September: this reverse diff shows exactly what would be removed, if the rollback to revision 859793264 is carried out. (Note that in this diff, the latest rev is on the left, and the old rev is on the right: the diff shows what would happen in case of a rollback.) As you can see, it's almost entirely the unsourced table added in September that would be removed. There are a few urls that were simplified, and slight wording adjustments here and there; those could be merged back in following a rollback, if deemed improvements to the article. Mathglot (talk) 22:30, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
Mathglot Hello. The information is based by info of others Wikipedia articles like: List of countries by Human Development Index Anyway, I will re-publish the table with references and you tell me if it is enough or needs more, and I will do my best to place more references. For example, Brunei penalizes homosexuality with the death penalty and as it is shown the page is outdated, much of the information that shows the degrees of penalty are based on the data of the article LGBT rights by country or territory. Thanks --Mauriziok (talk) 05:02, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
@Mauriziok: Whatever you publish here, has to be referenced. If there is an identical table in two places, there's a way to avoid having to include it in both places, so you don't have to do the references twice, especially when things start to change. Unfortunately, due to the Wikipedia policy Wikipedia is not a reliable source, you cannot source anything in one article, based on what is present in another article. (If this surprises you, I can explain, but it's off-topic here; ask me on my Talk page.) That means, that everything on this page, must be referenced here. If there are other pages with similar information that is unreferenced, that is problematic as well, but this is a volunteer project, and you can't be everywhere at once. I'm looking at this page; hopefully someone will look at the other one(s).
If you read and understand the core policy of Verifiability, which depends on citations to reliable sources, that's the most important thing. Wikipedia is a labyrinth of policies and guidelines, but if you get that one covered, that's at least half the battle.
As far as how many references: each assertion (fact) needs a reference, but one reference can cover more than one fact. If, say, the CIA Factbook has the population, ranking, and legal status for every country in the list, then you can have just one reference. If the data for each country comes from a different website, then you'll need 197 references, one per row in the table. Good luck, let me know if you need any assistance. Mathglot (talk) 06:34, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Source on religious motivations[edit]

@Bennv3771: What source supports following claims in the lead: Violence targeted at people because of their perceived sexuality can be psychological or physical and can extend to murder. These actions may be ... influenced by ... religious ... biases. And also: such violence often being connected with ... religious leaning ideologies which condemn homosexuality. I see no sources that support these claims at any point in the whole article. But maybe I'm missing it. Shinealittlelight (talk) 15:25, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

@Shinealittlelight: Ref #4: Stewart, Chuck (2010). The Greenwood Encyclopedia of LGBT Issues Worldwide. Santa Barbara, California: Greenwood Press. ISBN 978-0-313-34231-8 (numerous pages e.g. 2, 4, 36, 65 etc). Bennv3771 (talk) 15:49, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
@Bennv3771:You said that "the contents of the article" support the claims I mentioned. Was that a mistaken edit summary? Because I'd like to know what you're referring to, since the book you referred to is only cited in the lead. Also, the book you referred to is only cited at present in support of a claim about LGBT violence outside the west, and not specifically for the claims about religious motivation. Do you have a page number or a quote from that book that could be used to support the claims I quoted above? It's over 1300 pages long, so it isn't effective sourcing to just refer to the whole book.Shinealittlelight (talk) 18:14, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
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