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Appropriate image?[edit]

I removed File:Assyriankhigga.jpg, an image that is said to be an example of the Assyrian folk dance khigga, because (1) it doesn't seem like a very good visual representation of the dance, and (2) there are literally thousands of other higher quality images that could also rightfully appear here -- and there's not room for all of them. My edit was reverted because the image "shows that dancers can wear costumes or not" and because "the article needs a Middle Eastern example", and perhaps also because of an emotional attachment to the image by the reverter, who uploaded it. I don't mean to belittle the worth of this image but it seems unsuitable for the article for the reasons I gave above. That said, I am not inclined to edit war over this and will defer to the opinions of other editors. Lambtron (talk) 16:33, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2016[edit]


16chseld 606 (talk) 21:30, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Datbubblegumdoe[talk – contribs] 21:59, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Video[edit]

I think User:TonyTheTiger has a good idea in adding a video or two, but I agree that a 2-second clip of one person half-heartedly shimmying, while several others don't dance, is not of much encyclopedic value. Some alternative, perhaps more informative files:

  • Loie Fuller, an important figure in the development of modern dance, showing off one of the fantastical costumes/sets she was famous for. Extraordinary footage.

  • An unremarkable, rather gestural modern combination; close to the "typical" contemporary Western concert dance style.

  • Slightly old and briefly voiced-over footage of Cambodian classical dance, well-produced and giving a clear idea of the style (apparently Robam Tep Apsara).

FourViolas (talk) 20:43, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

It seems that many videos are worthy of inclusion in the article. Instead of sprinkling them throughout the article — where they will necessarily interrupt the flow of information to readers — would it make sense to create a video gallery? Perhaps below the existing image gallery? Lambtron (talk) 21:10, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

Re-posting a proposition by Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi that Rhythm and dance be merged into Dance, to hopefully generate some interest and responses.

The Rhythm and dance article discusses the relationship between Rhythm and Dance, supplies some information on the background and styles of dancing and quotes some poetry as well. I see no reason why that warrants a separate article. It looks like a simple case of WP:OVERLAP to me. Also, the resulting article would not warrant WP:SPLIT based on length since it will only be 45,867 Kilo Bytes even if no content is removed.

  • Dance Page size: 28,336 Bytes

The article's author, Redheylin, appears to strongly disagree with me. See our discussion here. WannaBeEditor (talk) 18:12, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Since no one responded I went ahead and completed the merge. WannaBeEditor (talk) 05:42, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Recommendation for structure and content[edit]

Understanding that the term "dance" is extremely broad in regards to the vast amount of information, it could encompass, I found the structures and it flows of the article distracting and sporadic. My suggestions for structure/content revision would be as follows:

1. General overview: definitions of dance that recognizes the diverse definitions that now exist.

  • You mentioned the many definitions proposed in your note- why not openly express the broad term that dance has developed to be?

2. Categories: This section may need to be expanded upon. The categories of Performance and Participation dance do not give an adequate overview of many modern forms of dance. There should be more forms of dance listed.

  • Also, when describing Performance/concert dance, I would include information about the advanced, intricate skills that performers must possess in order to artistically portray the piece. A large distinction between concert dance and participatory dance is training, education and professionalism - and emphasis should be placed on this.

3. History: a broader category of history can be used to group and discuss the origins, timeline and cultural aspects of dance.

  • Origins
  • Timeline
  • Cultural Traditions

4. Dancing and Music: This section is currently very minimal. The Wiki page it is referencing and is missing many citations and a broad perspective. Consider removing if this cannot be revised using a more reliable source.

5. Dance Education: Not all dancers receive their dance education through institutions of higher learning. I would suggest expanding on other means (studio, companies, etc.)

6. Occupations: It is mentioned that most jobs are low paying and dancers must supplement their incomes - would include source and statistics for this statement.

7. Venues: If you areto competitions in terms of place, I suggest also including the many other venues where dance is performed. Otherwise, the information about competitive dancing fits more logically into the "Categories" of dance.

--MeghanBri7 (talk) 22:00, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Welcome, MeghanBri7! That looks like a great general outline, and some very perceptive comments. This page has needed work for a long time. A few notes:
  • Guidelines for the first (overview) section may be found at WP:Lede
  • I agree competition could be better treated under "categories"—it's kind of a combination of participatory and performative forms, and that needs explaining. Not sure if it's ever been discussed in RS through that kind of anthropological lens.
  • I'm sure better sources on dance and music exist; [1], [2], [3], etc., etc. We do our best to WP:PRESERVE salvageable content whenever possible.
  • I think it would be excellent to have more material in the areas you mention. Phoebe, I met you at a meetup a while ago and never managed to get in contact with the dance-specialist librarian you mentioned—are they still around? I was hoping they could offer basic advice on sourcing in the field, which we could share with WP:DANCE.
Best of luck with the revisions, wish I had more time to help! FourViolas (talk) 22:59, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
P.S. New sections usually go at the bottom; you can read all about it at WP:Talk page guidelines. New responses go under what they're responding to, indented by adding one more ":" than the previous comment. FourViolas (talk) 23:04, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Hey MeghanBri7, thanks for joining and welcome. Per WP:BOLD, when you think an edit is necessary, you can just go ahead and do it, you don't need to ask for permission. Regarding dance, I certainly agree that the page will benefit from restructuring and editing, and any contribution to the page will be great. If I find time, I might be active on this page as well, I am planning to merge rhythm and dance into this page (see merger proposal section on top of this one). Just as a final note, to leave a message to a specific editor on a talk page (like I just did), insert the following template: "{{u|user name here}}. Once again welcome. WannaBeEditor (talk) 01:49, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2016[edit]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  03:55, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Bhangra Dance[edit]

Bhangra dance from Punjab, india got mainstream recognition after bhangra videos made by Gurdeep Pandher went viral in the Yukon Territory, Canada. Punjabi-Sikh immigrants have been dancing bhagnra ever since they moved to Canada over a hundred years ago. There have been many popular bhangra organizations and clubs in Canada since decades, however still bhangra was mostly limited to Canada's Punjabi-Sikh community. Yukon Territory's Gurdeep Pandher made numerous efforts and his work got Canadian national and international attention. Gurdeep Pandher's bhangra in Yukon was first reported nationally by CBC and then live broadcasted by Canada's CTV National News CTV National News. Gurdeep Pandher's Yukon made bhangra videos went viral with millions of views. His work was covered by Buzzfeed, The Huffington Post, Yahoo Canada and international media. All this helped making bhangra a Canadian mainstream dance.

MarkHilton (talk) 21:28, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

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Cane[edit]

please change ((cane)) to ((Walking stick|cane))

Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 16:32, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2017[edit]

Under Approaches to dance - Concert dance section:

Please change: 

allows interludes of rhythmic dance that developed into entirely "plotless" ballets in the 20th century.

to: 

allows interludes of rhythmic dance that developed into entirely "plotless" ballets in the 20th century

In other words, please delete the full stop / period mark (".") after the word "century".

This change is necessary to keep the sentence grammatically correct, because there are more words after the word "century".

The presence of this full stop / period mark is an edit error, originated from this edit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rhythm_and_dance&type=revision&diff=716667355&oldid=716667094 

97.94.123.41 (talk) 04:02, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 05:20, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Music and movement[edit]

'Music and movement' is re-directed to here, but the article has no mention of it. 86.132.221.167 (talk) 14:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Rhythm section is out of balance[edit]

While I think the discussion of the role of rhythm and its intersection through dance and music is a positive development for the article (and I have not as yet investigated who introduced the section into the article, but thank you), I have to say there are some significant problems with the current wording of the prose. For one, this section is far too long for the amount of encyclopedic information it contains. Second (and explaining the first issues) the tone is way out of step with prose appropriate to an encyclopedia article, instead reading very much like a summary of someone's dissertation. It's loaded with just far too many appeals to authority via in-prose references to academics couched in overly-academic language. Some degree of direct attribution is permissible and even desirable in an encyclopedic summary, but the overall effect here is to create the impression of a non-neutral voice attempting to argue for a particular view of certain phenomena. All of that said, there's a lot of valuable information here, and the sourcing more than satisfactory. But I think this could be written with 50-60% of the words utilized here and be sharper and more encyclopedic for it. Thoughts? Snow let's rap 04:00, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2018[edit]

107.167.97.209 (talk) 10:32, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 11:05, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Image of Claudel's The Waltz[edit]

An image of Camille Claudel's The Waltz was removed in a good faith revert, although there are a few good reasons to include it on the page (I had included it in the European section, due to Claudel's legacy and her growing reputation as an internationally known and important French sculptor). The Waltz is arguably the best sculptural representative of dance. Edgar Degas' Little Dancer of Fourteen Years is beautifully crafted, yet she does not convey action, but gives a sense of waiting for the performance to occur. Claudel's The Waltz, on the other hand, and its ability to convey feeling and flow of motion, well captures the emotions and feelings of both dance and of the individuals dancing. The revert language indicates that adding another image, especially one of a sculpture, isn't right for this page. I'd point out that the image seemed well-placed, is relevant to the section, and offers readers a chance to link to further information about such a statue and about it's creator (if some haven't heard of Camille Claudel please read of her amazing, talented, and artistically soaring, but ultimately - as a women in a man's profession in the late 19th century and early 20th century France - sad and wronged life). This image of The Waltz can only enhance, not detract from, this article. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:01, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

As the reverter, I am perceiving in your various comments a sort of infatuation with that particular work of art. The article is already stuffed with images, which adequately communicate various modes of dance. The sculpture, which, in the photo, looks more like The Hug, is such crufty overkill that I implore you to consider the wisdom of its placement in the article. It does not belong there. Has it not yet been placed in the Claudel article? Why not find out what sort of metal it was cast in, and add it to the article on that particular metal? Silver? Pewter?--Quisqualis (talk) 06:18, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello Quisqualis. The Waltz is a fine work by a major artist, so yes, I appreciate it, as will many readers. But my point in accenting its unique character and discussing its appearance is that no other major statue seems to capture the movement of dance, and so it would become a good addition to this page (which does have room in the section it was placed in). Maybe others will comment. Another, and perhaps better, option is to include a visual arts "gallery" section in the article, which would present sculptures and paintings. Degas and others come to mind, see Category:Dance in art. Until the fairly recent inventions of photography and film were able to present the visual definition of dance in its various forms, the only way to communicate these appearance was through painting and sculpture. A gallery which can give a historical overview of this communication might be worth considering. Another option is to move Renoir's Dance at Bougival, which is now the only and out-of-place visual artwork represented in the photographic gallery, to the spot where The Waltz had been placed. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:08, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Your mention of the Category:Dance in art should provide you ample opportunity for the dissemination of the photo you are so enamored of. The Renoir does seem misplaced, so feel free to move it. The gallery you are proposing does not belong in the article, though. Consider the concept of mission creep before you start letting those visions dance in your head.--Quisqualis (talk) 17:33, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Ah, okay (?). Yes, it is a beautiful sculpture, and The Waltz is probably the best existing sculpture on the subject of dance (please find a better one). Which is why I brought it to this page, thinking it would represent the topic of dance well. You reverted, and so I tried to communicate my initial reasoning of why I felt that the sculpture would be a good artistic representation of dance for this article. The end result of this? We've found an image of an artwork which we agree on. You'd accept moving Dance at Bougival out of the gallery and into the text, and I heartily agree that it's a fine piece of art to represent dance. So, a good result, and it was fun collaborating with you. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:23, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2019[edit]

Please afuckdd the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_dance to the text "contemporary dance" in the third paragraph under the heading Origins in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance page Evelyn federick (talk) 07:09, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 18:21, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
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