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Nitpicking[edit]

"Some restaurants in Montreal offer poutine with such additions as bacon, or Montreal-style smoked meat, although these are not as common."

I guess it's true that the variations are not as common as Original Recipe Poutine, but most places in Montreal (Mamma's Pizza, Alto's, and so forth) sell a number of variations. This one place, La Banquise, has around twenty kinds, and it's open 24 hours, so it must be makin' some cash.

There's also a vegetarian version made with pepper sauce instead of meat gravy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.70.121.79 (talk) 12:40, October 4, 2008‎ (UTC)

Reorganized variations. Reidgreg (talk) 13:11, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Preparation[edit]

I changed the wording of the preparation, which described it as a "mixture." Although it may end up that way (as shown in that nasty and unappetizing photo), it is not normally prepared by "mixing" per se.

Agreed, thanks. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:11, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Removed from the article to here[edit]

From the Tourist office of Nice, I received the following explanation: "La poutine, alevins de ppoisson pêchés uniquement dans la Baie des Anges aux mois de février et mars, se cuisinent en omelette ou en beignets."

Qui connait le mot allemand ou bien le term en latin pour cette espèce de poission? Merci de répondre au: transactor@compuserve.com. Merci.

That relates to a different topic. Thanks for removing it. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:11, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Picture change[edit]

++ I did change the tag of the actual picture (06/06/04) because it said "Poutine with gravy" and poutine necessarily refers to gravy. This change is made to avoid confusion.

Can we change the picture? I like poutine very much, but seeing the keyboard in the backgroud just doesnt fit in. Can we change the picture for somehting better? The poutines' fine. Its not his fault lol paat

i also think the poutine in the pic is nothing special as a sample. i would suggest http://evilloop.com/poutine.jpg hehehe i always use this pic when i'm talking about it with people online. i don't remember where i picked it up tho. zenzizi

The picture should be changed because the Poutine in this picture looks disgusting. It does not do the dish justice.

I take it the present picture is acceptable? – Reidgreg (talk) 13:11, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Creator[edit]

One of the two believed creator of the poutine which was cited (Jean-Pierre Roy) was invented in this restaurant http://www.jucep.com/ He is believed to have really invented the poutine as we know it with the three main ingredients (rather than Fernand Lachance was only mixing fries with gravy and offering cheese as another item). The patent of the poutine can be seen at this restaurant. I'll translate what he says : He opened his restaurant in 1964 and started offering the popular mix of fries with gravy until they started to sell cheese from near company. So customers started to mix cheese the the saucy fries so they added it to the menu. It was first call the "fromage-patate-sauce" (cheese-potatoes-sauce) and they were the first to sell it that way in Quebec. there is an english text on the site that explains it all and there is also a better picture.

For our waitresses, running in and out of the restaurant with their trays, the "fromage-patate-sauce" took too much time to write down. Many, many years ago, our grandmothers named "pouding" (pudding) any kind of mixture they would prepare. After much usage, the word sounded like "poutine". There was an inside joke about this word. We had a cook named Ti-Pout. The employees teased him by saying : Ti-Pout makes "Poutine" ! The word stuck so we decided to eliminate the three words "fromage-patate-sauce" and shorten it to "poutine" and that is what it is still called today.

Second you all should know there is a big rivality between Drummonville and Warwick (about 70 km apart) on who invented the poutine. I dont know why you mention Victoriaville though as Victoriaville is just the biggest city near Warwick but Victoriaville has nothing to do with inventing the poutine.

you guys should make the change i'm french canadian my english is not so good and linking and all..i'm not that good

Julien August 18th, 2006

I've tried to summarize this (or what reliable secondary sources have reported of this) and also included a footnote which gives a little more detail. It's a really interesting story and adds a lot of local colour to the history of poutine, but we've got to use encyclopedic tone for what appears in the body of the article (there's a little more leeway with the footnote). – Reidgreg (talk) 13:11, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

image quality[edit]

The image in this article needs to be changed, it looks like french fries floating in coffee.(all of the threats of being blocked if if I do something wrong have scared me away)

Adding time stamp for archival purposes. 13:11, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I agree. I have never eaten poutine but it's pretty clear to me that the main article image isn't representing the dish well. The gravy is too thin and the cheese curds too large and few in number. – 15:35, 4 October 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100F:B110:3ABA:ED2F:EECF:9EE9:C7D0 (talk)

The image had been changed since the original poster's comment. From what I've read, a traditional poutine (which we were trying to show) does use a thin chicken gravy, which will easily flow over the fries and give them a uniform coating. The size and proportion of cheese curds varies. The picture currently in the infobox was chosen as a result of this discussion. There is a general discussion on images for the article below. – Reidgreg (talk) 22:39, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Other[edit]

I made a quick edit to the line "When ordering a fast food combination meal in eastern Canada, you can pay extra to get your french fries replaced with a poutine." I removed the "eastern", since I'm in western Canada and pretty much every fast food place I've been to offers this option.

I'm not sure this really needs to be in the article; we know it is widespread in Canada. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:11, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Fisktin[edit]

I'm from Sweden and have never encountered or heard of the 'fisktin' that is referred to in the 'similar dishes'-section. A google search on 'fisktin' in Swedish renders three (3) hits, non of which is a menu. It should probably be sourced or removed.

Appears to have been removed, thanks. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:11, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Voter suppression scandal[edit]

Removed this from the article as it seemed tangental to the topic during a GA review, but preserving it here in case there is any interest in moving it to another article. Please see the history of this article for attribution. – Reidgreg (talk) 00:37, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

In the 2011 Canadian federal election voter suppression scandal, there were reports of misleading automated phone calls in Guelph, Ontario, which directed voters to the wrong polling stations.[1] An Elections Canada investigation found the calls were made through a disposable cellphone registered to a "Pierre Poutine" of the false address "Separatist Street" in Joliette, Quebec. The source of the calls was traced to an Internet address which seemed to correspond to the Guelph campaign office of Conservative candidate Marty Burke.[2]

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Reorganization of §Cultural aspects[edit]

The following is an attempt to reorganize the Cultural aspect section by topic instead of chronologically:

Cultural aspect

A cultural marker, poutine had long been Quebec's adored junk food before spreading across the rest of Canada and the United States.[1][2][3] It had by then made inroads with food critics and established culinary circles, challenging its junk food status.[1] Food critic Jacob Richler noted in 2012 that Canadian dishes are too similar to their European roots to be considered original, with the exception of poutine, which he credited as the country's most famous culinary creation.[4] In May 2014, the word "poutine" was added to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary of the English language.[5]

In 2007, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) declared the results of an online survey on the greatest Canadian inventions, in which poutine ranked at No. 10.[6] Maclean's 2017 survey of "favourite iconic Canadian food" placed poutine first with 21% of respondents, ahead of maple syrup with 14%.[7] By 2011, media outlets were reporting 11 April as National Poutine Day.[8][7][9]

A poutine stand sign styled as the Flag of Canada during Canada Day celebrations in Trafalgar Square, UK.

In March 2016, poutine was served at the White House during the first state dinner hosted by President Barack Obama and Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.[10] Poutine has been a highlight of the London, UK, Canada Day celebrations in Trafalgar Square for several years,[11] and was a comfort food for the local community after the 2013 Lac-Megantic derailment.[12]

The first poutine festival was held in Warwick, Quebec, in 1993. This annual event expanded to become the largest cheese festival in Canada.[13] In 2014, it was moved to the larger town of Victoriaville.[14] Montreal has hosted La Poutine Week, an annual festival, food tour, and competition held 1–7 February, since 2013.[15][16][17] Participating restaurants numbered over 100 in 2015.[18] In 2018, this grew to 170 restaurants in Montreal[19] plus another 70 in Quebec City, Toronto, Ottawa, Winnipeg, Regina, Edmonton and Vancouver.[20] Poutine festivals are also held in Drummondville (since 2008),[21][22][23] Ottawa-Gatineau,[1] Toronto,[7] Calgary,[24] Vancouver,[25] Quebec City and Sherbrooke.[26] Some US cities such as Chicago, IL,[27][28] Manchester, NH,[29] and Knoxville, TN, have also held festivals.[5][30]

Since 2010, the International Federation of Competitive Eating (IFCE) has held a world poutine-eating championship sponsored by Toronto-based chain Smoke's Poutinerie. There was criticism that the inaugural contest was held outside of Quebec and excluded Québécois. The IFCE stated that Montreal poutineries had not expressed any interest in holding the competition. Regulations for contests in Quebec make it difficult to include the province, which is often absent from national contests.[31] Smoke's has since sponsored a cross-Canada poutine eating tour.[32] In 2011, chef Chuck Hughes won on Iron Chef America (episode 2 of season 9) by beating Bobby Flay with a plate of lobster poutine.[33]

Jones Soda Co., originally a Canadian company now based in the US, created a poutine-flavoured limited-edition soft drink in 2013, which received international pop culture attention.[34] Bacon-poutine was one of four flavours selected as a finalist in the 2014 Lay's Canada Do Us A Flavour potato chip contest.[35] Though it did not win,[36] Lay's later added a bacon-poutine variety in its Canada entry for the World Flavourites.[37] Loblaws' President's Choice and Ruffles brands also offer poutine-flavoured potato chips in Canada.[38]

Giapos Ice Cream of New Zealand has served a "poutine ice cream" of oolong matcha tea, ice cream and caramel sauce over hand-cut fries since 2017.[39] In a 2018 promotional campaign for the film Crazy Rich Asians, "the world's richest poutine" was created with wagyu steak, lobster, truffles, shiitake and chanterelle mushrooms, edible orchids, and gold flakes, priced just under $450.[40]

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  4. ^ Richler, Jacob (2012). My Canada Includes Fois Gras. Toronto: Viking Canada. pp. 58, 139. ISBN 978-0-670-06582-0.
  5. ^ a b Covington, Linnea (11 June 2014). "9 Things You Probably Didn't Know About Poutine". foodrepublic.com. Archived from the original on 26 July 2018. Retrieved 2 January 2019. Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (help)
  6. ^ Sekules, Kate (23 May 2007). "A Staple From Quebec, Embarrassing but Adored". The New York Times. New York City: The New York Times Company. Retrieved 2 January 2019. Granted, poutine came in only at No. 10. But it beat, among other things, the electron microscope, the BlackBerry, the paint roller and the caulking gun, lacrosse, plexiglass, radio voice transmission and basketball. Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (help)
  7. ^ a b c Jeha, Laura (18 June 2017). "The history of poutine: How it became our most iconic dish". Maclean's. Toronto: Rogers Media. Archived from the original on 18 April 2018. Retrieved 10 April 2019. Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (help)
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  16. ^ "Creative chefs offer take on fries, curds and gravy during La Poutine Week". Metro News. 31 January 2015. Archived from the original on 31 May 2015. Retrieved 1 February 2015. Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (help)
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Personnally I would run the last two paragraohs together, but otherwise it looks spot on to me. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:20, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm. Okay, those are all promotions, so they fit together. Revised article. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:49, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Poutine Nation to be released in 2020[edit]

An IP added this to the article, which I'm noting here for possible future expansion. – Reidgreg (talk) 11:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC) 

Canadian researcher Sylvain Charlebois announced that he is writing a book on poutine's unglamorous rise to global fame, called "Poutine Nation". The book will be released in 2020. La Presse

Images[edit]

I'd like to discuss the addition of images for the article. There was some previous discussion of picture suitability during the DYK process (which you can find here).

Mozzarella sticks and tater tots poutine.jpg

IP editor 75.164.180.8 (talk · contribs) has repeatedly added a picture of a tater-tot/mozzarella poutine, which is not mentioned in the text and does not illustrate the text it has been placed beside. The IP's edit summary states: "adding images to one of many sections without any images". Adding an image just to take up space doesn't seem like a great reason to me. I would like it to be removed, though I'm open to discussion

I feel that images should serve an encyclopedic purpose in illustrating the text. I'm looking to add an image of a poutine from La Banquise after I get some confirmation from the photographer. I feel that the article would particularly benefit from pictures of some of the gourmet poutines and the international poutines (e.g.: Haitian with plantain and spicy coleslaw, Cuban with yucca and cilantro) if these can be found.

Below are some images from Commons. Unfortunately, the image descriptions are often lacking. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Pulled pork from Les 3 Brasseurs

  • La Banquise

  • California

  • Poutine hamburger

  • Vancouver

  • with onions

  • Minnesota

  • Poutine topped with eggs benedict

  • Poutine-benedict, Whistler, BC

  • Poutine poboy from Oak Street Po-Boy Festival, New Orleans

  • Georgie's Poutine

  • Halifax

  • Cheese Factory, Edmonton

  • Vegan poutine, London

  • New York

  • Poutine with peas, Le Club Sandwich, Montreal

  • Poutine with sausage at Chez Ashton, Quebec City (big enough to be cropped)

  • Pulled pork poutine from Whistler, BC

  • BBQ pork, smoked cheese, and herbs sour cream, Le Champlain, Quebec City

  • Poutine from Paris

  • Breakfast poutine

  • poutine with sausage and bacon

  • Poutine at Le Saint-Pub, Baie-Saint-Paul, QC

  • Notre Boeuf de Grace, QC

  • La Banquise; used as representative image on several other articles and wikis

  • A single serving of poutine from Le Madrid, QC

  • La Belle Province, QC

  • Poutine w/bacon, La Belle Province

I agree with omitting the IP's tater tot concoction. Poutine derivatives are fine if they have context in the article, or even just to illustrate the versatile definitions of poutine, but this one is so far away from the original that it doesn't serve an encyclopedic purpose here. I mean, not everything that has any fried potato and any variety of cheese with gravy on it is a poutine, and this one seems like it was labelled poutine by the uploader. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:44, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
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